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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I have a hard time with statistics simply because of what such a study implies.  In my mind, it&#039;s all about how to manipulate the masses and how to control large populations.  In that respect, it&#039;s no different from learning how to fight in a war, how to shoot a weapon, how to do all of the things that really seem to run contrary to who I really am, individually, at my core.  

To most people, I&#039;m an outlier just because I think this way.  I might prove problematic to someone who needs to do some serious manipulation.  In that case, I would simply be done away with.  All one would have to do is to exclude me from the data.  You see what I&#039;m getting at?  It can be dehumanizing.  Some people get left out of the sampling process.  Then their needs go unmet in favor of the so called average.  It could happen to anyone, really.  Read Jung&#039;s work, The Undiscovered Self, (if you haven&#039;t already) and you&#039;ll know what I&#039;m getting at, and why I personally am so wary of statistics.  

I know that statistics can be useful, but the problem is that it&#039;s such a handy tool that like some new invention, it can be put to good use, or it can cause such widespread destruction.  What&#039;s at stake here is the human soul.  

What makes it worse is the entire educational system having to rely so much on the directive approach to educating, rather than non-directive, as though individuals can&#039;t think for themselves, but need to be controlled and manipulated and kept from straying like some seemingly insignificant outlier.

Statistics is difficult not because people can&#039;t think abstractly or can&#039;t do algebra, but because of what it implies and the way it gets administered, and the way it takes your soul away, and the way it forces you to play the game. Nevertheless, I am learning it because I have to.  I might live or I might die in the process.  War is hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I have a hard time with statistics simply because of what such a study implies.  In my mind, it&#8217;s all about how to manipulate the masses and how to control large populations.  In that respect, it&#8217;s no different from learning how to fight in a war, how to shoot a weapon, how to do all of the things that really seem to run contrary to who I really am, individually, at my core.  </p>
<p>To most people, I&#8217;m an outlier just because I think this way.  I might prove problematic to someone who needs to do some serious manipulation.  In that case, I would simply be done away with.  All one would have to do is to exclude me from the data.  You see what I&#8217;m getting at?  It can be dehumanizing.  Some people get left out of the sampling process.  Then their needs go unmet in favor of the so called average.  It could happen to anyone, really.  Read Jung&#8217;s work, The Undiscovered Self, (if you haven&#8217;t already) and you&#8217;ll know what I&#8217;m getting at, and why I personally am so wary of statistics.  </p>
<p>I know that statistics can be useful, but the problem is that it&#8217;s such a handy tool that like some new invention, it can be put to good use, or it can cause such widespread destruction.  What&#8217;s at stake here is the human soul.  </p>
<p>What makes it worse is the entire educational system having to rely so much on the directive approach to educating, rather than non-directive, as though individuals can&#8217;t think for themselves, but need to be controlled and manipulated and kept from straying like some seemingly insignificant outlier.</p>
<p>Statistics is difficult not because people can&#8217;t think abstractly or can&#8217;t do algebra, but because of what it implies and the way it gets administered, and the way it takes your soul away, and the way it forces you to play the game. Nevertheless, I am learning it because I have to.  I might live or I might die in the process.  War is hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you when you say statistics is used as a &quot;as a tool of persuasion.&quot; The misuses of statistics in our daily lives are unbelievable. I have my students bring in an example of an unfounded statistic for a take-home assignment. They never seem to have any problem finding one and I have never had a repeat. They bring me things from the radio, television, and all kinds of print. It is amazing to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you when you say statistics is used as a &#8220;as a tool of persuasion.&#8221; The misuses of statistics in our daily lives are unbelievable. I have my students bring in an example of an unfounded statistic for a take-home assignment. They never seem to have any problem finding one and I have never had a repeat. They bring me things from the radio, television, and all kinds of print. It is amazing to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been relearning statistics lately. I&#039;m not a mathematician, but i generally enjoy math and i use it often in my job.  I find statistics slightly intimidating because it&#039;s difficult sometimes to figure out if you have the right answer (we&#039;re talking about a field that&#039;s defined two different ways to be wrong).  Even if you apply the methods correctly, you can get bad answers if you assume an incorrect model for your data; and often you don&#039;t arrive at a firm answer, but rather some confidence interval or likelihood.

Finally, i think that statistics as an academic domain is confused with statistics as a tool of persuasion (in the sense of &quot;lies, damned lies, and statistics&quot;). I think this has given the layman the impression that statistics is not so much a rigorous branch of mathematics, but rather a means of selecting the best data to support your own view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been relearning statistics lately. I&#8217;m not a mathematician, but i generally enjoy math and i use it often in my job.  I find statistics slightly intimidating because it&#8217;s difficult sometimes to figure out if you have the right answer (we&#8217;re talking about a field that&#8217;s defined two different ways to be wrong).  Even if you apply the methods correctly, you can get bad answers if you assume an incorrect model for your data; and often you don&#8217;t arrive at a firm answer, but rather some confidence interval or likelihood.</p>
<p>Finally, i think that statistics as an academic domain is confused with statistics as a tool of persuasion (in the sense of &#8220;lies, damned lies, and statistics&#8221;). I think this has given the layman the impression that statistics is not so much a rigorous branch of mathematics, but rather a means of selecting the best data to support your own view.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I hate statistics&quot;.

I hate they way statistics is taught. It is too broad of a topic for a specific course, and should rather be integrated (no pun intended) with other courses. For example, while learning integration in a calculus course, there could be a small aside involving the normal distribution (since the normal dist. integrated from -inf to inf equals 1). One of the few parts of statistics that I don&#039;t see able to be merged into another course is probability, which could easily be fit into a ~3 month course.

I also dislike the inconsistent notation used with statistics. It&#039;s like everything BUT statistics uses a nice, standard notation.

One last complaint; I absolutely HATE the reliance on numbers (this ties into the way it is taught). There is so much that could be done symbolically, but is instead done using brute-force methods such as using random numbers.

Hopefully I can avoid any more statistics courses until I&#039;m done with my schooling ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I hate statistics&#8221;.</p>
<p>I hate they way statistics is taught. It is too broad of a topic for a specific course, and should rather be integrated (no pun intended) with other courses. For example, while learning integration in a calculus course, there could be a small aside involving the normal distribution (since the normal dist. integrated from -inf to inf equals 1). One of the few parts of statistics that I don&#8217;t see able to be merged into another course is probability, which could easily be fit into a ~3 month course.</p>
<p>I also dislike the inconsistent notation used with statistics. It&#8217;s like everything BUT statistics uses a nice, standard notation.</p>
<p>One last complaint; I absolutely HATE the reliance on numbers (this ties into the way it is taught). There is so much that could be done symbolically, but is instead done using brute-force methods such as using random numbers.</p>
<p>Hopefully I can avoid any more statistics courses until I&#8217;m done with my schooling <img src='http://www.statisticgraphs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tshah</title>
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		<dc:creator>tshah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Stats can be scary for some students is because all the greek letters and profs not making connection to real life examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Stats can be scary for some students is because all the greek letters and profs not making connection to real life examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Dwinnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Dwinnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise an interesting question.  I have responded in my Oct-17-2007 posting, &quot; Statistics: Why Do So Many Hate It?&quot; (http://abbottanalytics.blogspot.com/2007/10/statistics-why-do-so-many-hate-it.html) on the Web log I co-author with Dean Abbot, &quot;Data Mining and Predictive Analytics&quot; (http://abbottanalytics.blogspot.com/).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise an interesting question.  I have responded in my Oct-17-2007 posting, &#8221; Statistics: Why Do So Many Hate It?&#8221; (<a href="http://abbottanalytics.blogspot.com/2007/10/statistics-why-do-so-many-hate-it.html" rel="nofollow">http://abbottanalytics.blogspot.com/2007/10/statistics-why-do-so-many-hate-it.html</a>) on the Web log I co-author with Dean Abbot, &#8220;Data Mining and Predictive Analytics&#8221; (<a href="http://abbottanalytics.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://abbottanalytics.blogspot.com/</a>).</p>
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